Monday, 18 August 2008

DUNDEE GANG JERSEYS IN THE 70's

Dundee gangs in the 70's came up with a unique way of displaying which housing scheme they came from - by wearing jerseys of different colours.
Most of these high V-neck jersey's were made at the Knitting & Sewing Centre in Victoria Road.
The design consisted of 1 main broad band across the chest and arms, with a pocket on the top left of the chest in inverted colours, and 2 thin bands around the waist, cuffs & collar. As time went by, customised variants would be seen, such as, pockets on the upper arms, initials on the pockets, and anything up to 5 bands around the waist & cuffs. There were also cardigan versions of the concept.
Although this gang knitwear was exclusively Dundee based, the designs were an adaptation of American "Ivy League" sweaters Mods in the UK wore in the 60's.

The jersey's above are Douglas Toddy, Mid (Mid Craigie), Kirkton Huns, Lochee Fleet, Beechie Mob (Beechwood) and Fintry Shams.
These examples are just a small selection of who was wearing what back then.
Click on the image to enlarge or download.

91 comments:

  1. I HAD A SHAMS TANK TOP.I WORE IT ONCE IN DOUGLAS AND WAS SHIT SCARED.MIND YOU, ANY ELEVEN YEAR OLD WOULD BE SHIT SCARED IN A PLACE LIKE THAT.
    I THOUGHT THE HILLTOON HUNS WAS GREEN WITH A BLACK STRIPE.

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  2. HH were green & black, the one in the picture though is Kirkton Huns.

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  3. I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THE KIRKTON HUNS.I MUST HAVE HAD A SHELTERED UPBRINGING.

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  4. Never heard of the Kirkton Huns you must have been blind, deaf and dumb, we ran the show.

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    1. The Kirkton ran but not the show. Yer.

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    2. Aye... ran bein the operative. Bolted!!

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    3. In the 1950s mockingly referred as the Kirkton Cowboys....

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  5. The Captain here posting btw....

    This thread reminds me of a wee 'incident' I had of an evening myself at a bus stop in Fintry after visiting a friend then living on the estate in the late 70's. As an out-of-towner I'd bought what was prolly a Fleet gang jumper if I recall based on pics above - just bought it coz i liked the colour of it - and then found myself surrounded by a group of the local neds on the way home who couldn't quite understand why I wasn't running scared at the very sight of them... and that my face just wasn't familiar to them...nor my accent Dundonian...... Their 'leader' - I knew he was the leader as he didn't slur and appeared to have a few active brain cells to his name that didn't reek of glue - said 'Do you live here? And then 'do you want to die here'? as his opening lines of interrogation....... 0_0 - anyways, once they realised that the jumper was an innocent 'mistake' they left me alone and actually went off laughing after I told their leader that I'd actually been sent with a message from Danny in the Bash Street Kids saying they wanted their jumpers back...... ;)

    Incidentally around that time the late singer Billy McKenzie gave me both a horrified look and a free t-shirt to wear during a visit to his clothes shop wearing same jumper as we had to go through the Hulltoon area together... lol

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  6. Young Napper Tamson says,

    I was a member of the young Fintry Shams, well at least I believed I was, I never actually signed a contract ha ha with Davy Young who was the Guv'nor of Fintry.We had developed our own jumper and if my memory serves me right, it was the opposite colour i.e. Red with a black stripe. Anyone who "Ran' with me or away with me!! then would remember that in 1973/4 I had the best Bowie haircut in Dundee no question and it cost me a fortune at Raymond Smiths the barber Dura St.(Sweeney Todd) from my paper money earned at Carberry Crescent (Anybody remember my Red Chopper) every week. Memories forever.Magic

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  7. I thought the Hulltoon Huns were white with red stripe?.......

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  8. the hulltoon had all the jerseys first coz they had all the knitting shops then the robbers fae the schemes took the ones they wanted

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  9. the hulltoon were green and black, the only problem with that gang was there were only about 20 of them and they were always hanging about the chipper over from the hilltoon clock.but for me the main gangs were the kirkton huns and the lochee fleet the rest could not fight thar way oot o a paper bag like the douglas toddy or the fintry shams,ha ha up the huns ya bass

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    1. Never came into Whitfield tho,aye ?

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  10. BIG LEN LATHIN20 May 2011 at 16:46

    All you tosspots are bletherin a load o shite!
    The top crew in Dundee was the LINLATHEN HULA!!
    We used to regularly kick fuck oot o the Fintry Shambles, and when we went to Kirkton, the Huns would shite it!

    HULA ROOL YA BASS!!!!!!

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    1. The hula boys were a bunch o losers it were the mid boys that ran the show

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    2. Hula boys suck their own dogs FLEET ROOL

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    3. Hula? You got to laugh. They shindigs couldn't even walk across pitkerro Rd into mid. Belters nvr won a fight in their lives. Pmsl.

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    4. Hula Hoops ;) haha wooden hooses haha Gon Yersel

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  11. beechy boys kicked shit out of all u twats y-mob rule ya bass

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  12. hulltoon huns ran the show in the 80s coondo gander bellzo there top boys n they did all the fightn at football bfr the casuals came along

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  13. ye u rite mate wldnt say h huns were hard but were all game as fuck n did the fistys at the soccer 2

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  14. glesgay cunts cana fite always need blades shitehouses dundee fistys ya bass

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  15. did george kerr lead the hula in the 80s? did mid n linlathen form 2 b the hula?

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    1. Not sure about the 80's but the mid and Hula were always close as we went to the same schools. Mid Primary and the catholic school cant remember it's name , And most went to the stobie.. Us the Hulla and the Hilltoon huns

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    2. Mid and Linlathen have never joined up as far as i know. Mr Kerr is from Mid and ran all of Dundee no just the we fannys from Linlathen. Mid rule. YMR

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    3. PS the other school was St Vincents and it was a linlathen school its on the wrong side of Pitkerro road to be a mid school

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    4. George was in the mid. We didn't have a leader though. Didn't need one. George is t the only cunt who could fight. Hula never rolled with us either that would defeat the purpose

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  16. Hi fellow Scots, in Austalia in the 1970s Sharpies began wearing Contes which are similar to the Jerseys worn in Dundee at around the same time, is there a link or coincidence? There are many of us interested in info history or even better pictures. FB site Sharpies, Sharps & Skins a 1960-1970's Melbourne Subculture

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  17. where could i buy a top like these today?

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  18. shams will allways b no1 gander and co remember caird park when uz all got ur bostal uz ran like all the rest ysr

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  19. cannie buy them jerseys any more the shop on victoria road closed down years ago,think its a pakistanie shop now,and i ken the pakistanies sell most things but i dont think they sell gang jerseys

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  20. In my day the uniform of the "hun" was a green adidas trackie top with the black 3 strips on the arms and the double h's in pen on the back and flicking toddy sign as we passed on the no. 26 bus lol. Not sure if that was Late 80's or early 90's

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  21. Load of bollocks on here.Lochee Fleet ran the toon.Oor territory run fae Charlestion,Menzieshill,Lochee,Poley,Dryburgh,The Blackie,Pentland,and had affiliated gangs within it like the Gourdie Troop,Menzieshill Boot Boys,Dryburgh Mad Squad,The Charleston Crazy Tongs.The combined fleet was massive and regularly cleared oot the pussy Hilltoon,the Nomark Shams and pulverised the Minks fae Beechy
    123 who are we,we're the boys that rule Dundee.With an F and an L and a Double EE T..Lochee Fleet rule all Dundee.
    ;-)

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    1. Dinna be a fucking idiot we were sick o chasing u bunch o fannys every week canny fight shit MOB RULE YOU BUNCH O PRICKS


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  22. Andy rettie ran the show, no cunt came close to him, he went about splattering every cunt back in the 80s ;)

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    1. Aye, and the 90s too....

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  23. If we are talking about gangs then lochee wins hands down it was to big there were to many schemes merged together but if we are talking about individuals then you are right Andrew Rettie tops them all, 'the rocket' i think he got called lol because of his speed

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  24. Kirkton huns wore blue jumpers with yellow band even bairns in prams had them lol those were the days

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    1. They were just Polly bags Fae the chippy

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  25. The hula had a small crew but we were game. Hula means (hu)nnygreen and lin(la)then together or have u lot anytime if you want the make up version. I know you spell honey like this but in oarie Dundee its spelt wi a U.

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  26. I had a Whitfield Shams jersey in 1980 that I bought off my "berry money". At that time, I recall that the stripe on the left sleeve wasn't a solid stripe but was actually two bands.
    The colours were seawitch blue and white which were taken from the Co-op sign, as this was the main shop at Whitfield "shopping centre".
    Used to spend the entire summer holidays fighting with the Toddy, Mid or Fintry. Easter bank holiday was always a big kick off at Cairdie.
    A couple of years later, I was in the Stobie and we used to all go to an under 18's disco at Junction 9 in the town centre. There were Lochee, Poley, Fintry, Whitfield and Hulltoon boys there, but we generally all got on, and it very rarely all went off. (Mind you, when it did go off........).

    One incident I do recall is when I was walking through Beechy (no colours on, obviously), and the phone started ringing as I went past the phone box. I went in and answered it, to tell whoever it was that they were actually ringing a phone box.
    Never got a chance to say anything, as the person at the other end said "You're f*****g dead you Stobie b*****d!"
    I was out that phone box quicker than Usain Bolt.

    Great days.

    Does anyone else remember where other gangs got their colours from?

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  27. RETURNING AS AN EXPAT (DE-EMIGRATED SCHOOL BOY) BACK TO DUNDEE HAVING SPENT NEARLY 6 YEARS IN THE CITY OF SYDNEY, I THOUGHT THAT DUNDEE WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO THE LIFE AND LIFESTYLE OF SYDNEY. IT WAS VERY CONFUSING AND I STILL CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE TWO CITIES ARE SO DIFFERENT. SYDNEY WITH ALMOST 6,000,000 PEOPLE AND DUNDEE 155,000 PEOPLE, MAYBY THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO. AFTER NEARLY 40 YEARS BACK IN DUNDEE, I STILL THINK I AM LIVING IN A 1972 TYPE DUNDEE, WHICH IS VERY COMFORTING TO KNOW THAT DUNDEE STICKS TO ITS TRADITIONS AND SYDNEY IS STILL SYDNEY.

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  28. RE Willsharp's comment.
    That was really interesting seeing Aussies in the 70's wearing hooped gang jerseys similar to those worn in Dundee.
    I'm quite amazed!!
    I don't even recall seeing any anywhere else in Scotland, never mind further afield!
    Wonder how that came about?
    Was it the result of someone emigrating to Australia from Dundee and continuing the fashion fad down under, or was there some kind of parallel evolution taking place in 70's youth culture??!!
    One for historians and anthropologists to look into!.
    Thanks for passing the info on.
    GG

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    1. Jack Flash and John Smith ran the Kirkton Huns even from London
      in the late 70s early 80s

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  29. remember a lady in dens rd market made the gang jerseys too.also made similiar cardies in utd and dundee colours too.
    fond memories.

    YWSR ya bass

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  30. Forever clearing the YKH in caird park selwin and that Young mains fleet ya bass

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  31. The thing we up in whitfield did is when we beat some poor cxxt up from another scheme, we took their jersey off them as a trophy, I will always remenber one friday night at the whitfield shops I saw Big scotty wi a fintry jersey on, tam blair wi a toddy jersey on, eck tolan wi a kirton top on norry webster wi a mid jersey on and shug mcglaughlin wi a fleet top on I had to laf cos it looked funny as feck, that young Whitfield lot were mental but a good bunch of lads pretty naughty lads but a good bunch, and they looked after each other and anybody else who got into bother fea whitfield, scotty, riddle, tolan, mckay, dullis, wilson, oreilley
    rip boys what a team Y W S rule.

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  32. ah nice post with some great whitfield names (legends)
    and the ones that are no longer with us will always be remembered, along with the lads from other schemes who are lost to us, even tho we were all enemys in the past we all had the same thing in common we loved our parish and oor gang and we were all fae dundee never forgotten

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  33. Whitfield Shams Were All Poofters. Mental MID Rools

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  34. does anybody remember rabi from the mains fleet forever chasing the kirton out of cairdy

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  35. na cant remember him who was he?

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  36. WAIT CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG BUT IM JUST WONDERING THAT KIRKTON HUNS WS THE MOST VIOLENT GNG IN DUNDEE WHILE LOCHEE FLEET WAS THE MOST GROWING GANG IN DUNDEE AND IFF YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE JUMPERS IN ANOTHER PLACE IN DUNDEE YOU WOULD GET BATTERED LIKE HELL AND WHERE IS HULLTOON HUNS JUMPER

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  37. Colin Higgins was the Governor from the 70's and propably still is, never been beaten

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    1. Not in Andy rettie or Colin craigies league

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    2. My father and his brother ran with the Kirkton Huns, the two Smitty's. They went around with Dragon and Knocker White. Knocker wanted to be top man so he went with Colin Higgins on a bus to the middle of nowhere for a square go. Colin beat him so badly, Knocker had to pretend to be dead so he'd leave him alone. Spent weeks in hospital after that. No one challenged him again.

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    3. Was it ian and graham smith?
      Originally from st.Mary's.

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  38. SHADE rule ya bass!

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    1. God bless the mental Shade fae Farfar

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  39. It's no secret that the Lochee Fleet were dundees biggest and most notorious gang throughout the 70's & 90's.

    The Kirkton huns & The Beechie mob also deserve a mention but the rest don't even come close.

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  40. One day while at Dundee Sheriff Court meh Mither beeing there to see her Son who was up for petrol bombing took her coat off - she never knew she had a Lochee Fleet Jumper on - it was just the Son's jersey -She sat through trial without knowing and no one even told her

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  41. Young Springy The a tributary of the Stobie Huns fucked off anyone that came wandering around Baxtrs Park ! Paddy Muffet and his minky incest brothers, Bellzo fae ra Hulltoon never came doon, Eugene Ritchie fae ra LFleet couldn'y afford the bus fare Russel Dear (age 9) run the Hulla oot a toon an the Fintry Shams rooled by a Paki lol nuff said junkie fuck n the Beechie Mob so Smart so one man team and to the starter of all Kirkton Huns i lay my hat off as they brought drugs to the toon Fuck the heroin has just kicked in

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  42. Camperdown Park 1982/3 Easter weekend ?

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  43. Troop/Toddy rule Dundee fuck the shams Hun's fleet and the rest Toddy Troop rule YGTR ya bunch of fannys 123 who are we w are the boys who rule Dundee with a TODD DDY toddy boys will never die ya fannys we will kick fuck out o all of you a now like Dylan Blaney and John scullion haha we would fold them all YGTR / TODDY and Troop rule funded it is 2@@16 & we will fold all the YWS and the K huns and Fleet haha belters who rule toddy troop rule YGTR

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  44. Quick question the old mans 50th is coming up and always tells me stories about this so was wondering what wer the mid colours? Thought it would go with all the books I got for him etc

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  45. The Mid wore green jerseys with a red (sometimes orange) hoop, as in the illustration above.

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  46. Who were the west end gang then

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    1. The west end gang. They were the toughest gang in dundee. Nae cunt messed with them

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  47. Oh aye. The west end gang. Tough bastards like.

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  48. names tyler martin!!!!! kirkton huns rule ya daftys

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  49. Ygtr mon the troop fuck the rest gourdy is the best

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  50. I grew up in 70s , The maddest gangs were K.Huns, Hultoon Huns, Mid, Beechie, Lochee fleet, were OK but only cause half Dundee, fought with them, Menziehill, Charleston, Dryburugh, all joined with Lochee, although they had there own jumpers, but Kirkton was and is No. 1, even in the jail, the weegies , everyone knows kirkton Huns.

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  51. Alright shaggers

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  52. Troop rule bunch of sausages

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  53. West end fleet rule

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  54. kirkton huns 1960 to forever

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  55. Hi guys.
    Around 1971/72 we had a few Dundee (Mental Mid) lads move down here to Burnley for the work. Bob Barber, Gilbert "Gobby" Young & a couple more...Fergie and Jimmy, can't remember their last names.

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    1. Fergie..Raymond Ferguson , always had his wee dog Blue with him.
      Right head banger, made me carry a big bayonet into the YM for him one night.

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    2. good lads they were. Hung around Burnley for quite a few years and joined our crew at the time The Flying Wheel Skins. Fergie was a bit of a nutter, we also had our top lad who`s name was Joe Ferguson.
      Great to read all the above.

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  56. 2 the tool that was on aboot gander getn borstal ye the hulltoon took a hit that nite but u fintry pricks had at least 60 goys iwas 15 at the time n ran but rmbr gander coondo kendo standn n there was only 17 of us went 2 the carnival that nite retty 80s never heard oh him lochee fuck all n till they schemes joind up

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    1. Back in the 50s gangs didnae hae daft names. we jist went beh the names oh whaur we cam fae: lochee, west port, hulltoon, midcraigie, marryat, etc. Lochee wiz the top mob, then the port, while the ithers were jist oor punchbags.

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  57. Hi, wonder if any one can help? I'm doing a wee magazine as part of my last year at uni. Its on fashion subcultures from the teddy boys right through, but I want to put a bit about Dundee in it. Really interested in the knitted jumpers and been reading Gary Robertsons book Gangs of Dundee. Would love if anyone had any good information, cool stories, good pictures or just anything you think would be worth telling me about the jumpers or just the times back then. any help would be much appreciated. comment on this or drop me a wee message lyndseycurrie-@Hotmail.co.uk thanks!

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  58. I moved from kirkton to hilltown in 1970 with my mates ,the McDermott's , where we started the Hulltoon Huns.
    Quite a few guys soon joined up with some real roasters onboard.
    The Phinn's, the Lewis's, Jackson's etc. meant you had to be wary of your own guys.
    A lot of infighting meant a lot of serious shit happening which ended that regime's reign which would never be the same with the newer ones coming in.

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  59. Toddy rule fuck yis all

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